As the shutdown continues and communities (and especially BEER communities) look toward reopening, changing, and surviving, Mark and Jimmy welcome a treasured guest to the show - Julia Herz, the Craft Beer Program Director at the Brewer's Association, a national nonprofit trade group that represent the majority of craft brewers in the United States. How does she see the Craft Beer landscape changing? What kind of world are we headed for? Press play and let's chat.